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Post by Josh "Spikey00" Y. Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:26 pm

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The Egyptian army took steps Thursday to halt the advance of pro-government rioters into a square in central Cairo where thousands of protesters have spent days holding demonstrations against the Mubarak regime.

For a second straight day, looting and arson erupted and gangs of thugs supporting Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak attacked anti-government demonstrators, foreigners and journalists.

At least eight people have been killed, and hundreds injured, in the violence.

The government increasingly blamed foreigners for fueling the demonstrations over the past 10 days.

"When there are demonstrations of this size, there will be foreigners who come and take advantage and they have an agenda to raise the energy of the protesters," Vice-president Omar Suleiman said on state television.

CTV's Lisa LaFlamme said the army was using tear gas and gunshots to try to disperse the groups of people fighting on the streets.

Earlier Thursday, the army placed soldiers directly in between the two groups, who have been in an unrelenting battle on the streets of Cairo for the past 24 hours.

Reporters have seen sticks, stones, petrol bombs, bottles and other projectiles thrown between the two groups, as the street clashes have raged on the edges of Tahrir Square -- the centre of the ongoing protests by thousands of Egyptians who want Mubarak to leave office immediately.

LaFlamme said at least 10,000 determined anti-government protesters remain inside Tahrir Square, as pro-Mubarak forces continue to try to push their way into the area.

The anti-government protesters blame Mubarak for many economic and social problems that have afflicted Egypt during his 30-year rule.

On Thursday, the recently appointed Suleiman said the president's son would not run to succeed his father in elections this fall. Mubarak has already said he will not run again.

The Mubarak regime also announced that it had frozen the assets of several former ministers, who are also under a travel ban.

A divided population


Janice Gross Stein, the director of the University of Toronto's Munk School of Global Affairs, said that despite the widespread protests, Mubarak still holds support with some Egyptians.

"There's a group in Cairo, a large group really who feel that there has to be a stable transition, they do not want him (Mubarak) forced out. He has considerable support in the rural areas," Stein told CTV's Canada AM during an interview in Toronto on Thursday.

"So there's a real division. There is a rural-urban division, there is an upper class-lower class division and you see all of that playing out in those clashes in the square."

Many anti-government protesters believe the Mubarak regime has paid supporters to enter Tahrir Square and cause havoc on the streets.

The Egyptian government appeared to acknowledge that the pro-Mubarak protesters had gone too far when Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq went on television Thursday to apologize for the attacks on the anti-government protesters.

In remarks broadcast on Egyptian television, Shafiq said it was a "blatant mistake" to see Mubarak supporters attacking the anti-government protesters and he promised to investigate who was behind the provocations.

"I offer my apology for everything that happened yesterday because it's neither logical nor rational," Shafiq said. "What happened was wrong, a million per cent wrong, whether it was deliberate or not deliberate ... Everything that happened yesterday will be investigated so everyone knows who was behind it."

Prior to the apology issued by Shafiq, Egypt's Interior Ministry had publicly stated that its police were not involved in the clashes.

Canadian concerns


The deteriorating conditions in Egypt have prompted Canada's Foreign Affairs department to leave the country immediately.

Cannon issued a statement early Thursday advising Canadians that Ottawa plans to continue evacuation efforts in Egypt today.

"All remaining Canadian citizens who wish to depart Egypt on a Canadian government chartered flight and who are able to do so should immediately proceed to the airport, Terminal 1, Departures area, as soon as possible on February 3," Cannon said in the statement.

"We strongly urge all Canadians to leave Egypt."

The House of Commons held an emergency debate in Ottawa on Wednesday night, so that parliamentarians could voice their concerns about what is happening in Egypt.

Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said that Canada was slow to respond to the events in Egypt, which he attributed to under-resourced consular offices.

"Canada consistently finds itself under-resourced without enough people on the ground and without a sufficiently determined response time from the government in Ottawa," Rae said.

The United Nations announced Thursday it was evacuating 350 staff and their families from Egypt, "due to the security situation."

UN spokesperson Rolando Gomez said some staff will remain in Egypt to carry out "essential functions."
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Post by Josh "Spikey00" Y. Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:32 pm

So... how do we feel about what's happening in Egypt right now? It's most definitely a contemporary example of democracy spreading through the Middle East through a revolution-ish type of uprising.

I'll have to agree with ideas that are currently floating around about the matter. "People unmade the government, but they cannot make a government," and I feel that is very true. The military has control of all the power in Egypt, and as much as the protesters want a clean slate for the government, I think a lot can go wrong. They mention Islamic extremists can cease control--we all know what that means for the immediate region, and to our own countries. I wouldn't blame Israel for having much concern over the border, as they've had good ties with the ex-government.

I'm interested to see how this will turn out--it's ironically similar to the propagation of Communism during the Cold War, isn't it?
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Post by Gov Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:17 pm

Yemen, Tunisia, Egypt, I honestly hope I see new Arabian republics appear. If the revolution is real and for the freedom of the people and not the propping of another tyrant or Islamic moralist state then I support it.

It seems to be spreading across the Arabic world. Maybe it will lead to a modern middle east enlightenment, maybe it will lead to horrible blood sheds. Either way I am very interested in how this pans out.

As for Egypt,

"Every revolution has its counter-revolution - that is a sign the revolution is for real." C Wright Mills

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Post by Josh "Spikey00" Y. Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:05 pm

As long as it works out for all of us in the end.
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Post by Josh "Spikey00" Y. Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:37 pm

It looks like they've been successful with ousting Mubarak from the country... I'm surprised that the military acted in such a responsible way.
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Post by Gov Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:04 pm

Very clean transition in comparison to other revolutions. Surprising, now is a time of great reform, or greater dictators.
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Post by Josh "Spikey00" Y. Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:21 pm

Mmm, looks like it has also affected other countries in the Middle East... although, some don't seem to be in success...
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